Curse

Diddy bow · Oct 31, 2007, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Removing this would be like making everyones drops crap cus of farmers abusing it.

wait bad example...

It would be like removing Guru because of retareded posts xD. I.E

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Its not a.net's fault that the community is full of jerks.

QFT.Only i wouldnt say full of jerks more, its not a-nets fault there are jerks out there, but also remeber its not a-nets fault people bring their Avatar of balthzar MM's to HA expecting a group. It never really changed anything, build discrimination just grew larger and larger over time.

Rexion · Oct 31, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

take that mending+avatar of balthazar+whatever crapppy skills youve got off your bar and watch happiness fly your way

if its such a bad build,then why did the FoW group I was in never wipe?

as i said before, i'm not complaining about being kicked... i was talking about it happening in general.

Biostem · Oct 31, 2007, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

You're the same idiot that whines about fame and titles, aren't you? ArenaNet adds in some wonderful things to grind for and keep playing the game beyond the main story and then they're to blame for dipshits like you who can only play a certain way and everyone else has to play their way.

Yes, I just grouped you with the retards you're complaining about.

I believe the OP is complaining that a feature, which is meant to assist players form an effective team, is being used to exclude or otherwise nitpick other players' builds.

It's one thing to suggest a build to some potential team members, but it's another thing entirely to start excluding or kicking people based upon it.

Making some polite build suggestions is ok, demanding that a player conform to you (the leader's) orders - not so much.

mage767 · Oct 31, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Just the other day, I was doing Slavers Exile - FORGE, and I joined a mainly PUG group with my ele. The leader, however, was a guy from my guild and we were on vent.

A PUG monk joined us and asked me to ping my build. I was running a water build using Ward Against Harm, some earth wards and Ebon Vanguard of Wisdom. I use the water build because I have first-hand experience of many horror stories of pugs doing FORGE together.

As soon as I pinged by not-so-familiar build, the monk and another ele disapproved it. The ele told me to go SH but we already had 2 SH and 1 barrage/splinter in the team. The monk told me the same dam thing and they pinged me the 'right' build. LOL. As if I wasn't aware what the cookie build was.

Anyway, I told the leader that I'm running the water build no matter what. While we were in FORGE, the enemy eles ran past the tank several times. By placing the aforementioned wards, damage to my entire team was negligible. Just then the monks and eles realized the usefulness of the water build - and they actually shutup and showed support by giving me the second highest priority to keep alive.

It was hilarious - I hope those 6 other non-guildies learned something out of this!

isamu kurosawa · Oct 31, 2007, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Rexion

if its such a bad build,then why did the FoW group I was in never wipe?

as i said before, i'm not complaining about being kicked... i was talking about it happening in general.

I'd class that as a sub optimum monk build myself, Yet as FoW is an easy area your statement means nothing.

Build pinging allowed me to catch an MM in a team ready to do abaddons gate once, i asked him to change and explained why a MM wouldn't work in that mission. He then proceded to call me a noob because "MMs r 1337". Also had two other people complaining in the team saying i should let him play what he wants, so i left them to go off on their own, H/H'd the mission then went back to the outpost to see what happened and watched the same team enter twice before i logged off....Some people just don't learn, pinging builds allows me to save possible waisted time with them.

Master Ketsu · Oct 31, 2007, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Anet is not to blame for the stupidity of the majority.

Pinging is a good feature, especially for guilds. Don't like it ? Don't pug with jerks.

And personally if I Do feel like pugging in those rare "feel like doing pve" days, im pretty lenient on builds. That doesnt mean I will let an elementalist primary use [skill]avatar of balthazar[/skill] "because it looks cool". Im fine dragging marginal players through a mission as PvE is easy enough...but I refuse to help morons.

Whiskeyjack · Oct 31, 2007, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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if its such a bad build,then why did the FoW group I was in never wipe?

Because FoW is easy.

Gigashadow · Oct 31, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Maybe you are getting kicked because your build actually is bad.

Malice Black · Oct 31, 2007, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack

Because GW is easy.

Edited.......

Rexion · Oct 31, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

i'm give up, spam 'n flam(e) all you want..
i didn't ever say that >>I<< was being kicked...
go ahead, i'm just gonna ignore this topic

Malice Black · Oct 31, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Then what is your point?

Ping = no 55's in a mission group
Ping = no mending
Ping = no blood necros with firestorm
Ping = sucky build kick
Ping = good

It's that simple.

zamial · Oct 31, 2007, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Pinging builds is a great feature. I don't PUG so IDC what is on your bar.....

In before close

Sub Frost · Oct 31, 2007, 02:11 AM // 02:11

Personally i like the function, saves time, helps to give other's useful builds, but like everything it isn't perfect...

Sadly i've seen situations were ppl where kicked, simply because of the narrow mind of the leader(or stupidity whatever suits best), not having the exact build some ppl expect, often generate this.

But i've also seen situations where a person had a completely useless build to the specific obj./mission/... and with this function could optimize his build and of course it's always nice to ear "Thanks allot for the build m8, it works really well" on the end of the said obj./mission.

Zeek Aran · Oct 31, 2007, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

You could simply do the immature thing and...

1. Ping the build template that the leader wants.
2. Switch to your build template before you leave town.
3. Ping your build after you leave town.

It's then the leader's choice to start over or go ahead and see what you can do with your build.

I know, it's a pretty crappy thing to do, but if it really irks you...

And then if you all fail and it's your fault... you know who was right and who was wrong. :3

Pinging is great. If you are booted for not using a certain build, then don't join them anyway. Just make sure you aren't echo-flaring.

VanDamselx · Oct 31, 2007, 04:08 AM // 04:08

I'm happy about being able to ping your build. I remember what a pain in the ass it was to type out what skills you were using. Example:

Person: hey, what's the 55 build and what do you need?
You: PS, HB, Mending, BS, SoJ, BA, BD, and optional skill.. you need -50cesta and 5 monk sup runes
Person: what is ps, hb, bs, soj, ba, bd?

This of course was back in the day in Prophecies but I do remember hating to type that stuff out because newbies never knew what I was talking about. People are douche bags, if you are finding that you are having problems with group leaders, start your own group. If I do decide to PuG, I find myself more often than not leaving to start my own group. If a super build nazi enters my group, he or she gets kicked. I'm all for effective builds but if someone begins going overboard then he or she gets the boot.

Shadowfox1125 · Oct 31, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09

How about you don't PUG and find yourself a suitable guild? That'll solve the problem. Ugh.

reverse_oreo · Oct 31, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Another fantastic reason not to join pugs. H/H FTW

**cosyfiep** · Oct 31, 2007, 04:17 AM // 04:17

There are uses for the ping....like if you have 2 rits to make sure you dont bring the same spirits, etc. However, there are also jerks in the game who like to play god and kick people if they dont have the build they want you to....get another group and forget about them. Most of the time I find that the ones who kick you for not conforming dont make it anyways.....

Winterclaw · Oct 31, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

Ping is too inefficient IMO. I think there should be another window that you can open to see your entire party's skills while you are in town.

YunSooJin · Oct 31, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by Rexion

if its such a bad build,then why did the FoW group I was in never wipe?

as i said before, i'm not complaining about being kicked... i was talking about it happening in general.

lol, look, its a build from 2005.